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Unanswered Questions – Part I

January 12, 2011

I have had numerous Byskal sympathizers ask for evidence that what I have been reporting is correct.  What I thought I would offer is the complete list of the questions that were put to Edward Byskal by the elders of the Cloverdale Bibleway Church in their letter of September 12, 2009.   As far as I understand, these questions were never answered by him.  His failure to answer them caused a mass exodus from the church.

Here is the question to my readers: If your pastor was asked these questions and refused to answer them, would you still attend your church?  If your answer is “yes”, then there is a membership card awaiting you at the Cloverdale Bibleway Cult Church.

I have tried to contact Edward Byskal through the church website but am yet to receive a response.  If he wants to formally answer these questions, I would be happy to post them unabridged on this blog, provided that they did not contain the names of anyone other then Edward Byskal.

Here are the first 5 questions, with many more to follow in the coming days.  These are not my questions but those put to Edward Byskal by the church elders.  I have included the footnotes from the letter which provided doctrinal support for the positions that the elders took in the letter.  I am not necessarily in agreement with all of the doctrinal issues being raised but am presenting them for sake of completeness.  They are generally quotations of William Branham or biblical passages.

The names of all of the people referred to in the letter have been removed as have other items that might compromise their identity.  These have been replaced with descriptive terms in square brackets.

From the church elders to Edward Byskal:

1. Why were [the minor child]’s parents never told of the inappropriate conduct between [your daughter] and [the minor child], (a minor in 1990) when you first became aware of the situation?  The pastor does not have primary responsibility for children1; they are the responsibility of the parents.  Furthermore, restitution or resolution for sexual misconduct with a minor under parental headship involves parents2.  The relationship would have been brought to an end immediately if the parents had been informed. The parents were betrayed and their trust violated and the high priest of the home was dishonoured.

2. Why did you not inform [your daughter]’s husband when the relationship was first discovered3?

3. Why do you deny that you met with [the minor child] in 1990?  You have stated to several of us that you had no knowledge that any sexual contact had taken place between [your daughter] and [the minor child] in 1990.  However, based on the testimony of the witnesses it appears that you are either not telling the truth or have confused the meetings in 1990 and 1996 in your mind.  The contact that took place between them prior to your meeting with them was clearly adulterous.  The appearance is also created that you did not inform the parents or the husband in 1990 because you were aware that your daughter’s actions were, by the standards of the world and the law of the land, criminal in nature.

4. Why was the issue of “penetration” so important to you when any sexual contact is clearly adulterous in nature4?

5. Why did you make no attempt, and took absolutely no precautions, to keep [the minor child] and your daughter apart?  You were aware that your daughter continued to [provide services] for [the minor child] but you did nothing to ensure that the improper relationship between your daughter and a minor was discontinued even though you stated that you continued to be unhappy with the relationship between [your daughter] and [the minor child] as it related to [their spending time] together.

Some might perceive that you did not deal with the issue because you knew that [the minor child] was a minor (and the possible criminal charges to your daughter could result).


1 The children are supposed to know discipline, they should get it at home. But even if it’s mine, my kids get in here at anytime, they get disorderly, I don’t want you to draw one string; Sarah, Rebekah, Joseph, Billy, or whoever it might be. You tell me, I’ll see to it.

If they are members of this church, then you should take two or three with you and call that parent into a private meeting, into one of the offices. I don’t care who it is, if it’s me, if it’s Brother Neville, if it’s Billy Paul and his little boy, if it’s Brother Collins and one of his children, or any of the rest of you. We are… We love one another, but we’re duty bound to God and this Word. If it’s Doc, no matter who it is, we’re to call one another in and be honest with one another. How can God ever deal with us, if we’re not honest with one another? How we going to be honest with Him? CHURCH.ORDER  63-1226

2 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Deuteronomy 22:28 – 29

3 A woman come not long ago, and she said, “Oh, I’ve confessed all that.” She was nervous, and had a breakdown, and said, “I confessed all that to God.”  I said, “You have to confess it to your husband. It wasn’t God that you committed adultery against; it was your husband.” That’s right. QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS  59-0628E

4 …no man should ever kiss a woman till he’s married to her. That’s male and female glands crossing. Let it be wherever it may be; it’s wrong. It’s potentially a sex act. When male and female glands touch, it’s a sex act…But look at it today, all these movies and things, and one big conglomeration of kissing and hugging. And it’s absolutely almost public adultery everywhere, and the people so blind they don’t see it. That’s right. Everything’s in a Sodom condition, Sodomite everywhere, as the Bible said. THE PRESENCE OF GOD UNRECOGNIZED 64-0618 (emphasis added)

  1. Anonymous
    January 12, 2011 at 11:26 pm | #1

    Curious, if this all happened in 1990, why then is it only being brought out now? Did the elders just now find out?

    Do you know if something just brought it to their attention and if so what it was?

    • InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash
      January 13, 2011 at 2:57 pm | #2

      A few people knew about it and were basically told to shut up. Finally a sister in the church told her husband about the information that she had been keeping from her husband for years. This is where it all started from my understanding. She told her husband who is a deacon… and that’s where the lid got blown off the can. Ed had opportunity years ago to settle all of this before it exploded, but he refused to HUMBLE himself and make things right, something which seems to be his repeated problem. So in his bullheaded and stubborn thinking, he set his jaw, puffed up his chest, and figured he would bulldoze through… didn’t work! Funny thing though, Brother Branham preached and lived nothing but humility and love…. I’ve never sensed that with Brother Ed and Tom Rae and their family, it’s always been arrogance and self righteousness, oh they can stand there and preach what they want… but I think it’d be much better to shut your yack and live me a life! I always loved the part in the movie The Wizard Of Oz, where they all find out that the booming scary voice behind the big veil was nothing but an insignificant little insecure man who was a control freak…. remember TOTO the little dog? Well that’s a lot of US…. Notice how Toto was not scared of the Great Wizard’s theatrics, yet he was so small in size, compared to the Wizard, that no one seemed to notice him?

      The smoke, flames and holographic images of Oz were designed to frighten people into doing as the Great Wizard commanded. Toto simply padded over, looked behind the curtain , saw it was a scam, started barking until others paid attention to him and came to see what all the barking was about.

      Who was behind the curtain?

      Just an ORDINARY PERSON controlling the levers that created the
      illusion of the Great Wizard’s power and authority.

      When Toto pulled back the curtain and completely exposed him, the charade was at an end. The Wizard’s game was UP. What was he after all? A con-man. A FRAUD.
      We can see, in this tale, just how loud the bark from a little dog can be. How bout YOUR bark? How big is it?

      Most of us remain silent and wait to be given whatever food and recognition, if any, by our master. What would it take to expose the Wizard for what he is, tearing away his veils?

      We each need only a brain, a heart and soul — and COURAGE. Then, and
      perhaps of the greatest importance, we need to learn HOW to WORK TOGETHER….Let us not forget those pesky flying monkeys, what perfect mythical creatures to represent the “deacons” or CBW “muscle” who attacked and controlled the “little people” for the Great Wizard. Oh and the “yellow brick road”, well that would of course be GOLD BRICKS… follow the yellow brick road… that’s what Ed’s following… it’s always been money, power, recognition etc….

      Mind control is for the birds… be who you are… anyone who WANTS to be a follower of ANY man is WEAK… and putting their faith and hope in nothing but a MAN…. anyone who WANTS to be a leader… and have people follow him/her… has a problem… is typically arrogant and controlling…. BE YOURSELF… find YOURSELF…. God already put everything you need at your fingertips.. which is inside yourself right NOW… you don’t need anything but YOU and GOD. Don’t let ANY man dictate your life, or tell you what to do… I’m pretty sure on THAT great day… Ed Byskal or Tom Rae or John Andes won’t be standing there at the “pearly gates” checking you in… they’ll be only concerned with themselves. Wake up folks! Don’t be MAN PLEASERS!

  2. January 13, 2011 at 10:12 am | #3

    Greetings to you from South Africa: Tsanning,

    I guess this is getting very interesting by day but I have a slight problem that there is a repetition of allegations, and they just get presented from different perspectives. I am uncomfortable with the fact that our beloved Tsanning does not bring out substance in her response but she dismisses anyone who disagrees with her as a Branhamite or a Byskalite. I have posted my comments previous and all Tsanning does she just dismiss them as ramblings.
    Nonetheless, let the blog continue and we anticipate a lot from your blog.

    I have critical questions to the Message Believers who follow the End-Time Message brought to us by the Prophet William Marrion Branham:
    (1)Whether Brother Ed Byskal has handled the case well or mishandled it is immaterial to me within the context of this blog. I guess the Cloverdale Bibleway Church members should take that up with their Pastor, and as in the message we vote by our attendance then those who attend Cloverdale Bibleway Church are within their rights to choose, as some chose to make a switch to Living Word Fellowship.
    (2)Are you a cult as Tsanning alleges that Brother Branham is a primary cult leader and Ed Byskal is a secondary cult leader?
    (3)Does Tsanning have a right to use statements of Brother Branham to push her agenda considering that she is not a Message Believer?
    (4)Does Tsanning know of any ministers in the Message who are doing right things? Not of only Ed Byskal who is bad news in Tsanning world.
    (5)We know that Cloverdale Bibleway Church is a local assembly and what did Brother Branham teach about the local assembly?

    57-0922E HEBREWS.CHAPTER.SEVEN.2
    282 But the full and complete authority of the church is the pastor. Read that in the Bible, see if that’s not Bible order. That’s exactly right. There is no one above the elder. I have nothing to do with what Brother Neville does here. That’s up to you and Brother Neville. If Brother Neville wanted to preach Jehovah Witness doctrine, that’s up to him and you. See? If he wanted to preach anything he wanted to, that’s between you and him. That’s all. If the congregation votes for him in there, to preach that, that’s all right. That’s up to him. Unquote: Is Ed Byskal an exception in relation this quotation?

    (6) Why did the Elders wait for almost 20 years before they attend to this matter?
    (7) Does Ed Byskal’s church have enemies? Why was it listed as a cult even before Tsanning’s beloved elders raised their 20 year concerns?
    (8) Did Tsanning try to get hold of Ed Byskal’s son in law? If not does she have a right to speak about another man’s family over the internet without his authorization? What is this doing to the poor if he has decided to forgive his wife?
    (9) I bet that even the Living Word Fellowship have a serious concerns with Ed Byskal but they don’t buy her silly and shallow articles on her blog? How do I know? They still quote William Branham in their gatherings who Tsanning regards as a cult leader. If a cult (Cloverdale Bibleway Church) was attacking another cult (Living Word Fellowship) then, how does it involve an Internet Coward who regards their leader (William Branham) as a cult leader?
    (10) People posting here should tell us whether they first believe in William Branham to be a man of God or just a cult leader then we can categorize their comments. I know as Message Believers we have our own forums where we can engage each other including Ed Byskal than to hide behind a computer screen?
    (11) Who will the “squeeze” start with? Which message church or minister will first experience the “squeeze’? Before the squeeze, will not the devil utilize mass-media to send a wave of doubts and divisions?
    (12) Tsanning is a probably Catholic (as she said that she does attend mass on occasions) or a denominational member and I don’t think she should tell us ‘not to eat with sinners’? As it was said Jesus, and considering the Message standpoint against denominations Tsanning attitude does not take me by surprise. I expect such attitude for people like her who are not in the Message.
    (13) If Tsanning was so concerned and her blog was objective then I bet she would have shed more light across the denominational spectrum. I guess starting with Catholic priests and many more as I believe that if Ed Byskal is guilty of such he just happens to be many among millions of American pastors whom no blog was created in their ‘honor’ or ‘dishonor’.

    Overview on the Elders that Tsanning loves so much:
    (1) Why did they wait almost twenty years before the broke the silence?
    (2) Are they aware of this Tsanning who attacks not just Ed Byskal but Brother Branham?
    (3) Do they know what a Jesuit who attends ‘mass on occasion’ is capable of?
    (4) Whoever feeds Tsanning this gossip, has he/she ever tried to help Tsanning to distinguish between a local pastor and a dispensational prophet? A local pastor can be a subject of ridicule but a dispensational prophet does not owe anyone explanation especially an Internet Gossiper?
    (5) Do they know what the Message says about the tithes and what the pastor’s relation should be to them? Quote: 61-1015M QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS_
    JEFFERSONVILLE.IN COD SUNDAY_
    176 161. Would it be wrong to use tithes on church building funds?
    Well now, here–here’s a touchy little thing for the church now. No, correctly, tithes is to go to the minister. That’s right. In the Bible they had a box they’d set at the door in the Old Testament when the– building. This box was a fund where the people put in there for the repairing… You’ve read it many times in the Old Testament. They kept up the buildings and things like that… All the repairs on the buildings was taken care out of that fund. But a tenth of that went–a tenth of the tithings–all the tithings went to their priests, their pastors. Yes, tithings are to go for nothing else.

    I know people take their tithes and give them to a widow woman. That’s wrong. If you’ve got anything to give the widow woman, give her, but don’t give her God’s money. That’s not yours in the first place. That’s God’s.
    (6) What is the meaning of a local assembly?

    Quote: 57-0922E HEBREWS.CHAPTER.SEVEN.2
    276 By the way, while I’m speaking; somebody, in around this country somewhere, is guilty of writing some cards, to move Brother Neville out of this pulpit. You’re going to have to settle that with me. Uh-huh. That’s right. Uh-huh. Yes, indeed. The deacon board has not one thing to do with that pastor. No, sir. The congregation, in full, has all the authority. It isn’t… A deacon board is just the policemen here in this church, just to keep order and so forth. But when it comes to rules, the whole church has to say so. This church is built upon the sovereignty of the local church. Therefore, I have nothing to say in moving this pastor, or putting one in. I own the property; it’s given to the church. You all are the church. You people are the one who control. You’re the church, yourself. And the Church, the holy Church of God is the sovereignty, of the Holy Spirit in that Church. And the only thing I do is own the property, give it over to this church, as give it over for a church, and it’s tax free. And the church elects their own pastors. I have nothing to do with it. And the only way this pastor could ever leave, would be the pastor decide himself to go, or the majority of the votes of the church would have to say, “Change the pastor.” That’s the only way. No deacon board can do it. The deacon board only keeps order and things in the church.
    277 The trustees, they have nothing to do with it, only repair the church.
    58-0720 THE THE.PLACING.OF.DEACONS
    25 Now with our heads bowed, not only our heads but our hearts, and as every member of this church, that comes here regular and supports it with your tithe and offerings, which is considered a member of this church.
    What is glaring is that this ‘woman’ [I inverted it because a woman normally would have thought of the other woman who erred 20 years ago and would have somehow taken her to task off the internet out of respect of her dignity and let alone her husband’s] is not a Message Believer at all? She does not fit a description of a member of any local assembly. She has no respect to our Prophet William Branham, and we need to be so resolute and not tolerate this nonsense. Brother Ed Byskal SHOULD NEVER EVER RESPOND TO THIS WOMAN AND MUST NEVER EVER GIVE THIS BLOG RECOGNITION but us we will come here every day regardless of how many times she dismisses our questions as ramblings.

    • January 13, 2011 at 3:55 pm | #4

      I will state again that you are not a straight thinker. I do not do well with muddled thinking because it is just so jumbled up.

      I have promised people early on that I would not get involved with any kind of discussion of the doctrines of William Branham. I am going to abide by that promise.

      When I say that I believe that Edward Byskal is a cult leader, it is regardless of his beliefs regarding William Branham. If you really listen to his Oct 3 talk, he basically states that anyone that disagrees with him is following Balaam. His comments were directed at all the followers of William Branham that left his church.

      So he really doesn’t care if you follow William Branham or not. What he cares about is whether you follow Edward Byskal or not.

      If you don’t follow Edward Byskal, you are following Balaam.

      Given that you are a Byskalite (one who supports mindlessly the teachings of Edward Byskal), you would no doubt be happily accepted in his church.

      If you want to argue with someone that believes William Branham was a prophet, then simply read the posts of “InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash”

    • rita
      January 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm | #5

      Thanks, Madiba, for the blog dated January 13, 2011. It makes a lot of sense. I beg to differ with Tsanning. You are a striaght thinker…the other term being “left brain dominance” or analytical thinker. Those of us that studied right or left brain dominance…thank for the insight to the bible believers understanding.

  3. InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash
    January 13, 2011 at 5:27 pm | #6

    I wouldn’t bother letting MadiGooGoo or GoonyGooGoo post anymore… I really feel he is off center and kind of out to lunch. He is quite OBVIOUSLY a woman hater as he has proven in his above last remarks, he keeps rambling on and speaks of “being resolute and not tolerating this nonsense” yet he carries on and says in the next sentence…. “but us we will come here every day regardless of how many times she dismisses our questions as ramblings.”

    I think he’s on meds or… maybe ran out of them… not sure… I’d block the guy.

    • rita
      January 17, 2011 at 2:09 pm | #7

      Are you kidding? You really censored someone that makes more sense than you do…I see you cannot be opened for a real discussion others have to agree with your sick views. I know where you are going… I think you must be one of those woman that left that church the one that is having an affair…right?

  4. Private
    January 13, 2011 at 8:43 pm | #8

    If you are not a true message believer than I can understand your confusion about the Oct. 3rd service. The Baalam spirit is the one that continually tries to convince people to leave CBW. Things like taking people out to dinner and trying to convince them to leave CBW. Things like someone saying “Oh, I forgive Ed Byskal, I’m just going to make him pay.”. Believers have every right to leave CBW and worship elsewhere…but those who have chosen to stay should be left alone. I know Lance LeRoux would NOT support this blog…so should his congregation?

    • Christian
      January 14, 2011 at 12:05 am | #9

      A true message believer would not have called Bro. Lance a hireling. He has not sought to persuade people to leave CBW. But that is what Ed called him. Is that the spirit of Christ?

      What about those that tried to persuade people that left to come back to CBW? How many people did Ed Byskal try to persuade to return? I can tell you there were a lot.

      Is that a Balaam spirit?

      I am not confused about the Oct. 3rd service.

      Ed attacked Bro. Tony. Why? Because he left. That’s why.

      Ed attacked his own sister. Why? Because she left. It’s that simple.

      If you actually believe that people have every right to leave CBW then you disagree with Ed. He said that the spirit that caused people to leave was a Balaam spirit. He is dead wrong.

      What Ed did was not something the Bro. Branham would have done. In fact, I think Bro. Branham would have been ashamed that it was associated with his Message.

      It’s really sad that you are eating all the baloney hook line and sinker.

  5. InGodWeTrust…AllOthersPayCash
    January 13, 2011 at 11:17 pm | #10

    That’s total hearsay! WHO said they would make Ed pay? For what? Dinner? So because people get fed up and leave THAT is a Baalam spirit? I doubt Lances congregation is saying much of anything if anything at all! Ever stop to think maybe CBW members are WANTING to meet for dinner and ask pointed questions because they just don’t know the facts? I highly doubt anybody would go for one of these dinners to begin with yet go for dinner and turn around and rat on the people who took them out!! Interesting tho! Leave CBW and you have a Baalam spirit…stay and you are of God! What a crock! You have just proven with your own words that you are a FOLLOWER! You’re right, Lance wants to stay out of this crap and he preaches that!!! The more CBW followers open their mouth the more they prove the very reason for this blog! Lousy poker player friend!

  6. January 14, 2011 at 1:12 am | #11

    Re: Cultural/Racial bias.
    In one statement from InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash; she/he says: “I wouldn’t bother letting MadiGooGoo or GoonyGooGoo post anymore…”
    This is an obviously culturally/racially biased statement to anyone who ever watched Eddie Murphy’s standup comedy. It refers to a man obtaining and African wife (Zulu) who is found naked on a Zebra with a bone through her nose. She speaks no English and all she can say is “GoonyGooGoo”.
    This is very hurtful towards Africans and shocking in the least for a Christian blog.
    It’s strange that it passed moderation and the blog owner did not delete the comments as she has with previous posts. such as on November 16 and January 2nd.
    Some things change and some things don’t.
    I wonder if tsanning would care to respond. Is this apathy/consent towards racism found within your belief system?

    • January 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm | #12

      Sorry, I don’t watch a lot of Eddie Murphy.

      And according to the Urban Dictionary – Goony Goo Goo – A word of victory after sticking your head under water and pulling out a fish with ones teeth

      Also the Urban Dictionary refers to the word “Goonigoogoo” (note the different spelling) as a word apparently thought of (but certainly used by) by comedian Eddie Murphy when he did a show he dubbed ‘Delirious’.

      They looked at each other and said..”Goonigoogoo!” – Eddie Murphy.

      I can find no racist reference in my brief online search and therefore the word stays.

      • January 14, 2011 at 12:47 pm | #13

        Also, it looks like Batsi is using a fake address so is banned from further comments. It appears it is probably Mr. Mad with the Bank. So I will ban him as well.

        I’m really not into the rambling polemics.

  7. January 14, 2011 at 4:50 am | #14

    People with limited mind when they are engaged in a debate and have no facts they resort to name calling. I am not on any medication and my qualified doctor friends (not internet gossip mongers) would have seen anything untoward if there was a problem. I work for a global company as an executive, and surely by now shareholders would have given me marching orders if there was a problem upstairs. I am married to a lovely woman who has a good education behind her name, and surely she should have noticed something wrong with but she lives with me in peace but an internet gossip monger who hardly knows me has the audacity to insinuate that I have gone off the tracks because I question their propensity to dish out garbage on the internet regarding other people. What a shame?
    To Tsanning:
    You are within your right to block me as suggested by the so called “InGodwetrust and otherspaycash” but I will resurface time and again dear. I am not leaving anytime soon and you will surely see that. I beg to differ with you on this issue of William Marrion Branham. You cannot use his quotations to raise the concerns of the “Elders” on your blog and refuse us to use his quotations to clear the same concerns. I tell you that inevitably William Marrion Branham will be a Subject Matter because all your concerns will always come to back to what he said, and either Cloverdale Bibleway Church or Living Word Fellowship are based on William Marrion Branham ministry. I would understand if you were a Message Believer and you had a bone to chew with Ed Byskal and your pastor would have advised you how to deal with Ed Byskal and you would have retained your ladylike manner not stoop to a level of an internet gossip monger.
    I state if you don’t believe in the Message of the Hour and don’t believe in the William Branham to be the Prophet of the Hour you have no right to engage in either the affairs of Cloverdale Bibleway Church or Living Word Fellowship as both churches are based on his ministry. I therefore think anyone who claims to believe in the Message would not be impressed by this nonsense irrespective of which church they belong to but the backsliders and outsiders will indulge in this shameful activity.

    I have few questions for Tsanning:

    (1) Why do you have picture of lips as a picture profile? No offence at all I am just genuinely interested in the rationale behind this.
    (2) Dou you know any Pastor you in the Message who is good and you probably can recommend?
    (3) Why not encourage the elders to go public since they are the key witnesses?
    (4) Pray for Ed Byskal more than ever before?
    (5) Cultivate respect for the people who disagree with you? In a civil world we call it maturity.
    (6) Refrain from blocking me? Encourage a democratic process.
    (7) Clear that InGodWeTrust & Otherspaycash and Tsanning is not the same person? Psychology really can backfire especially in matters that involve the Almighty God
    (8) When was the last time you in church?

    I guess you will try to be objective and not call me names as I cleared you that I am 100% sober and I have done 360o check.

    • January 14, 2011 at 12:27 pm | #15

      In America, there is a law of freedom of speech.

      It is more understandable than your muddled law of substitution.

      I can say what I want about anything I want and no one, particularly in Africa, can tell me what I can or can’t say.

      InGodWeTrust…AllOthersPayCash is a very different person from me. We are definitely not the same person.

      I will tell warn you to keep your discussions brief and to the point or I will edit them.

      This is my blog, not yours. If you want a platform, go start your own. I for one am not interested in most of what you have to say.

      • rita
        January 19, 2011 at 11:33 am | #16

        Yes, the freedom of speech is in America but not condone slander…the Americans are lucky there lawyers sue for very minor offences…whereas, Canada takes its’ time to prosecute. Both legal systems do sue for slander, and they also are mineful of those promoting hate. I t is easier to prosecute someone in U.S.A. which is also reasonable in rates compared to Canada. Yes , U.S and Canada does provide for free speech but not for hate and slander… as a journalist you should know this, I am simply reminding you of your journalistic responsiblity. Please do comment…I would like your perspective.

        • January 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm | #17

          You have your terms mixed up.

          Slander is used when the defamation of character is spoken. Libel is the defamation of an individual’s or an entity’s character which is published in a written medium, such as a newspaper.

          Both of these terms involve defamation of character, which is the communication of false information stated as a fact which brings harm to an individual or an entity, such as a business, group or government.

          I am simply raising questions. Valid questions regarding the alleged behavior of a member of the clergy.

          I have attempted to contact Edward Byskal to have him respond to these questions but have yet to receive a reply. The elders of the Cloverdale Bibleway church asked the questions but never received a response.

          I have done nothing on this blog which contravenes my right to speak freely.

          • rita
            January 19, 2011 at 3:22 pm | #18

            You still don’t get…attempting and getting first hand information is not the same. Primary information is what you need. . . “elders of the church asked the questions but never recieved answers” does not give you authority to speak on their behave…unless you are saying you are one of the elders…are you? I appreciate the fact you said “alleged”, this pastor Byskal you have attempted to destroy and his organization (church) is actually actionable…you have used very strong words to attack. One needs to play this out to see if indeed You have not “contravene your rights, Ms. Ardiel’s rights, and or Mr. E. Byskal’s right…let’s continue…shall we?

          • rita
            January 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm | #19

            No, you have your concepts mix up…no matter how you frame it …you are promoting hate and slander, yes slander. With the age of computors also comes with responsiblity..which still deals with first hand/primary information…but let’s continue and see who is right …shall we?

            • January 19, 2011 at 5:03 pm | #20

              You call me uneducated and you can’t even write properly.

              “You have your concepts MIX up”?????????

              Do you know what the word “oral” means? or is it beyond your comprehension?

              Slander (slăn’dər) n. –

                Oral

              communication of false statements injurious to a person’s reputation.
              Libel (lī’bəl) n. – A false publication, as in

                writing

              , print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person’s reputation.

              You should be aware that there is a defense to libel that always works. If the things that are said are true, it’s not libel. It simply called “the truth”.

              • rita
                January 20, 2011 at 2:18 pm | #21

                That is also why we have a Canada ‘s justice/court system to bring justice to those that are wrongly accused. Were the people, Mr. E. Byskal, Ms. L Ardeil, plus the numerous pastors you defamed on “your blog you can do what you want” bought before the courts for the crimes you claim to commit? There is a process in place when and where these primary documents can be used to bring “charges” against aperson(s0) called the court. Only than can you you can use these…otherwise one might assume you stole these “internal documents”, and pass them as truths. You pretty much used pictures, written words in an attempt to destroy peoples’ character within this blog…comment?

              • rita
                January 20, 2011 at 2:23 pm | #22

                I am glad you know what libel is…you can not defend yourself as if you did not know your actions…would/have hurt others.

            • January 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm | #23

              Regarding my “mix up concepts”, can you tell me EXACTLY what I have posted that you have a problem with? Try to be very specific and avoid using sweeping generalities.

          • rita
            January 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm | #24

            People frequently confuse “freedom of speech” with “the right to say anything you want without consequences. They are not the same. For your information, “freedom of speech”, ceases to exist, the minute you step into someone else rights. Your “rights” do not allow you, to intrude in someone rights. If that was not the case, we would have choas. The rights of Mr. E. Byskal, and Ms.L.Ardeil, the CBW have been violated.

    • January 14, 2011 at 12:27 pm | #25

      By the way, I love my lips – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIKB5HBkhM

  8. InGodWeTrust…AllOthersPayCash
    January 14, 2011 at 1:49 pm | #26

    Quick note here to the folks from South Africa! Tsanning and myself are definitely not the same person. We don’t know each other whatsoever either. I will apologize for offending you as well. In no way was I being racist or hateful, I’m only racist against abusers, advantage takers or arrogant control freaks no matter what colour they are! Sorry you took it the wrong way!

  9. January 14, 2011 at 2:22 pm | #27

    My address is genuine. I had to confirm via my email as did everyone else.
    Why don’t you want to post my comment?

    • January 14, 2011 at 3:41 pm | #28

      1. Your email is not confirmed. You can enter it but there is no confirmation process

      2. You are using a suspect IP address. That’s the big deal from me. I have had a bunch of people hiding behind this stuff. I don’t care who you are. Don’t want to know your name. But if you use a bad IP address the alarms go off and I ban you. No questions asked.

      3. I will not answer stupid questions from you or Mr. Mad like “Are you a Jesuit“. Doh!!! “Why do I have lips?” Give me the number for 911!

      4. From you mad African boys, only succinct comments will get published. This has nothing to do with English as your mother tongue. It has to do with getting to the point. I don’t do rambling well. It makes my head hurt.

  10. onetimewasthere
    January 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm | #29

    This has taken an interesting turn and I find myself back here to read the comments even though I haven’t had anything to with CBW for many years. I do understand some of Mr Madibawitbank’s concerns as to why someone removed from CBW and not a follower of William Branham (which I no longer am as well) would be interested in what goes on at CBW, but I also understand that this is your blog and you can write whatever you find interesting. And – the topic is interesting regardless of one’s beliefs. I don’t read it in hope of seeing Mr Byskal or anyone trashed online, but just find religion as a whole and the leader / follower relationship as it plays out in many situations quite intriguing. The events at CBW just happen to be a good example to open dialogue on the subject. I can relate to some of what “In God we Trust…All Other’s Pay Cash” has to say. I do remember that atmosphere and while perhaps not the personal experiences he had, I was very observant of the attitudes of the inner circle people and the different levels of respect given depending on one’s deemed position in the Church. I doubt the words he chose in response to Mr M’s (his name is too long to keep trying to spell correctly) were racially motivated. I’m surprised Mr Batsi would have ever watched Eddie Murphy. TV and movies were only watched in secret without deacons knowing about it when I was there. Anyhow, your blog is interesting.

  11. InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash
    January 17, 2011 at 9:51 am | #30

    Actually… why in the world are 2 people from South Africa leaving posts on here anyways? They are on the other side of the world, they have NOTHING to do with the churches out in BC, yet they are commenting on this blog like its their business?!! Did they go to CBW for years? Are they part of Eds church? Were they ever bullied in Eds church? Have they experienced any of the garbage and the playing of favourites that goes on in CBW? Why don’t both you boys worry about the crap on your own doorstep instead of blabbing your mouths off about something on the other side of the world, no ones interested in what you have to say and its taking away from the blog and the REAL topic at hand…. which has NOTHING to do with South Africans.

    • rita
      January 19, 2011 at 2:24 pm | #31

      This is supposed to be an open discussion…so the folks from Africa should be disregarded because they make more sense than you and your “crab”…I think they know exactly what they are talking about. The topic a hand has to do with christian don’t discriminate. I think they are making “mood” points and asking very inforamtive questions…furthuremore, I thought this was not exclusive for those that left the church or those that stayed at CBW…what’s your problem…you are not mining the “crab” at your doorstep? Why should they…or is it just a disagreement with your viewpoint?

  12. January 19, 2011 at 12:52 pm | #32

    If you use a fake ID, the rules of this blog are clear. All such comments get trashed. Use your real IP address (you don’t need to use your real name) and your comments will stay (although you really should clean up your language. Is this the kind of language that comes from someone that attends the Cloverdale Bibleway church?) At least then I will know for sure that you are actually from Canada.

  13. rita
    January 19, 2011 at 1:29 pm | #33

    I am not using a fake identity…yes I am a proud Canadian…no not a member from the Cloverdale bible way church…I thought by my use of bad language…you could read I don’t profess to be a christain…neither do I believe there is no God…I am glad to hear from you, I think there is enough information for you to be prosecuted…but let’s play on word and words shall we…?

    • January 19, 2011 at 2:04 pm | #34

      You’re not a Christian? But one of the myriad posts i deleted stated that you were anti-Trinitarian.

      So you are a oneness non-Christian?

    • onetimewasthere
      January 20, 2011 at 2:19 pm | #35

      oooooh – I was so hoping you weren’t Canadian. English isn’t your first language though, right? For those outside of Canada, please do not assume she is representative of the level of literacy in this country.

  14. rita
    January 19, 2011 at 1:39 pm | #36

    Now that you have my email address you can drop the innocent act and quick deleting people who make more sense than you…I dare you to paste my comments back…and do check the comments at the Tribute to Ed Byskal page where no one is deleted…come on this is suppose to be an open conversation…child?

    • January 19, 2011 at 2:02 pm | #37

      You were using a fake IP address and now you are using a real one. Thank you.

      I did check it and it was a network sharing device in the US. Your current IP is in Canada and not fake so you can post as long as you continue to use it.

      • rita
        January 19, 2011 at 2:14 pm | #38

        How could you even pretend that I was using a fake address…when you know I was using a real one…talk about deceit…amused

        • January 19, 2011 at 3:02 pm | #39

          Sorry, one of your initial posts showed a “spoofed” IP address and I incorrectly deleted all our posts.

          I have now reinstated them.

          Everyone will now be able to form their own opinion of you.

  15. rita
    January 19, 2011 at 2:12 pm | #40

    Tsanning, I know now that you have my email adress…you can communicte with me using the blog instead of my email adress. Does it matter if I am oneness? I thought you did not want to talk specifics about the “word”. I am more interested in your cause…although, so far it is a lot of hot air. Mostly secondary information which is considered to be a waste of time but in your case you are promoting it as if it is first hand information. I am somewhat dissapointed you did not post my comments back…I guess you get the idea you are playing in the big league. I wonder how this will play out.

    • January 19, 2011 at 3:00 pm | #41

      You accused me of being a lier. Which I am. I lie down regularly.

      i think you probably meant “liar” which I am not.

      You stated you were not a Christian. A non-Christian would not be oneness.

      So I suspect that you go to church somewhere. Probably a “message” church like the one in Cloverdale.

      As I said previously, you appear to be a brahamite and a byskalite. While you attend church, you are probably correct in stating that you are not a Christian.

  16. InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash
    January 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm | #42

    Whoever this Rita person is…. is quite a piece of work!

    They started their own little blog giving tribute to Ed Byskal… but so far all they have managed to do is talk about THIS blog and bash anyone who leaves a comment that is not in favour of CBW and the problems that have occurred over the years based mostly on power corruption and arrogance.

    Why is it that this Rita person and her 2 “friends” from South Africa can’t seem to get it through their head that this has NOTHING to do with Living Word Fellowship leaving most of the comments? Why do they “think” it is some disgruntled teenager who started this blog? How come they can’t read the paperwork handed to Ed Byskal and see that this is a REAL and VALID issue that happened?

    Where do they come up with stating that the deacons and others knew of this “sin” that occurred years back and did NOTHING about it, when its very plainly written in THAT very paperwork that only a deacons wife knew of it and had kept her mouth shut for 18 years perhaps ONLY because she was scared? Until it finally ate her to pieces and she finally unloaded the information to her deacon husband… who immediately did what he was supposed to do, inform other deacons, approached Ed Byskal on the matter, privately, as they said they did NOT want the believers worldwide much less the local assembly finding out about it, just the parties involved, only to be ridiculed by Ed himself and told they have a demon spirit on them?

    Where do you “people” NOT see that in the 20 plus page document? How come the young man was told to LEAVE? Why was Linda STILL playing piano for the church if she had THAT kind of thing in her life? If that had been YOUR wife or YOUR daughter, who did THOSE acts to a young man in CBW, do you REALLY think you would have ANY of the “ministry” backing you up? Covering up for you? Or… would it be a case of you would be reported to the authorities? You would be arrested? The parents of the boy would be told? You would be exposed and kicked out of CBW? You would most likely do jail time and/or be charged and have a record for life? Do you think for ONE second you would survive?

    Use your head people!!

    There are people I know personally, who have left CBW, ONLY due to how badly they got “eaten alive” by Ed and Tom. I also have been on the “end” of that wrath which is very uncomfortable… and may I add, on EVERY incident where I was on the end of THAT wrath, and accused of things which did NOT exist, which were proven above and beyond a reasonable doubt, either by myself OR my accusers themselves proved through their actions or got CAUGHT fabricating and lying, yet when I asked for an apology, because I was always taught to make things right and to not let the sun go down on your wrath, I was told its better to let a sleeping dog lie… or… “How dare you contest a son of God?” to which my reply was… “But aren’t I a son of God too?”

    Needless to say that’s where I stopped taking communion, only due to having “ought” against a brother or brothers… who did NOT want to expose a lie or lies, and make it right! I could NOT take communion with unresolved hurt and eventual bitterness!

    Eventually “church” became a thing of the past but God has NEVER left me or forsaken me in spite of myself! The sheperd that preached about how he would leave the 90 and nine… to go out and find that one sheep that strayed… NEVER did call! Never did make any contact! Never did apologize!

    Instead… it was all brushed off and forgotten about and the “problem” was gone! Funny thing is… the people who accused me or hurt me or who “appeared” as real believers… they are gone too… some have been charged with fraud, some have died, some have gone off the deep end into the world… some turned gay…and EVEN for the world they are WEIRD… and some have stayed and have gone thru hell in their life with their own problems they brought upon themselves and eventually their LIES and self righteous arrogance have found them out.

    “It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.” KJV

    “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble.” North American Standard

    “It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin.” New Living Translation

    All I know is that God is STILL God, He has not once left me, He only is as far away as I’ve ever put Him… and I’m realizing grace more and more each day… and finally have realized years ago, that it has NOTHING to do with ANY church… and I certainly am glad that I haven’t wasted even MORE years following a man, or belonging to an assembly, or letting a “man” rule my life…

    Look at you people… the ONLY thing that will make it in the rapture is PERFECT LOVE!! You have a church split, people who you walked with in your spiritual life for many years… and now you can’t even walk across the road to each other to say hello… or have dinner together without backstabbing each other the next day and screaming “proselyte”!

    If PERFECT LOVE is the ONLY thing to make it… a lot of you are going to be surprised then when you wake up and the rapture has happened and you didn’t make it! And if heaven is going to have people like “Rita” in it… or control freaks… or people who CAN’T apologize and make things right… I’d really rather not be there… yet I know I will be so I’m guessing that means THOSE type of people won’t be there… Thank God for THAT!

    (Sorry the post was long.. but it all makes sense)

    • rita
      January 19, 2011 at 5:06 pm | #43

      Wow…talk about someone being disgruntle… you are choosing where to go…too bad it is not your choice there is still “God”…yes I do hope you go to heaven even if it mean I don’t go. I would not wish for you not to be there…it appears you have a heavy cross to bear. I did not mean to offend you…I am really an outsider. Not wanting people to be trashed like you people are doing to the people formCBW church. I would gladly lay my life down for you…even though I am not a CBW church member but a member at large…a Canadian.

    • rita
      January 20, 2011 at 9:44 am | #44

      Very strong finger pointing ***NAME REMOVED*** I doubt if ***NAME REMOVED*** would agree with you. By the way let’s ask him at: i***EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED*** see what he has to say…shall we?

      • January 20, 2011 at 5:21 pm | #45

        I have avoided using anyone’s names other then Edward Byskal. I have removed the name of his son-in-law from the questions as well as a lot of other names.

        It is incredibly bad internet etiquette to post anyone’s email address on the web.

        If you do this again, you will be perma-banned.

  17. rita
    January 19, 2011 at 3:41 pm | #46

    I guess I should be greatful to be group with the real “christian”…for I see from their fruits they are not the ones promoting social discord…if you are claiming to be a christian…I can not disagree with you…you must believe you are. I respect that. What I have a problem with is that you making statements like “sexual abuse ” by Ms. Ardeil, painting all pastors with the same brush …”hiding sexual” misconduct because they have their pictures taken for some purpose (who cares) to name a few “damaging” comments…you know too much of the internal affairs of the church. I assume you have left the church…now you are just bitter. Of course…and this must be your revenge…careful it might just “bite” you back.

  18. Denver Morgan
    January 19, 2011 at 4:43 pm | #47

    Dear Tala since you blocked me from replying back via Facebook
    here is the the reply you said you are only asking questions that is
    a lie you are trying to destroy Ed Byskal and Cloverdal bibleway and the fact is there is already a correct and biblical way to address these kind of things in the church but this is not that way if you believe the message which i suspect that you do not because if you did you surely know that Brother Branham would
    never approve of such a tactic if you think Ed Byskal is wrong you
    have an obigation to go to him and ask him about it. But you have no
    right to slander and hearsay and that my friend is all you have i watched
    the Service you mention but it contains nothing that changes my mind at
    all if you are going to pursue this do it in a biblical manner and you still have to love him if you hate him then you are the loser.
    by the way its not wrong to talk about someone as long as your motive is correct but if you motive is to destroy that person then you are wrong and need to go to the altar your self.

    • January 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm | #48

      I didn’t block you from replying on FB. I replied to your comment.

      • rita
        January 20, 2011 at 7:41 am | #49

        The elders or let’s be honest the former board members of Cloverdale Bibleway

        ***NAMES DELETED***

        ..I bet they do not know about your implied (&/intentional) misconception (??)…and/or the potential scandle you might or might already create for them …or… will create for them. As you implied, you have been given the implied (legal??) authorization by these good people to act as their “agemt” as posted in your blog…hmmm…which is it? I am sure “The Living Word Fellowhip” people don’t know what you have be doing on their behalf.. . being deceitful…interesting.

        • January 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm | #50

          Again, you are displaying your massive ignorance of this subject.

          The letter was not signed by 4 people. It was signed by at least 15 people and possibly more. These are the people that I refer to as the church elders. These included all of the deacons, trustees (although that is not a Biblical office to the best of my understanding) and several ministers.

          Please do your homework (as I have done) before making any more erroneous statements.

      • Denver Morgan
        January 20, 2011 at 8:55 am | #51

        Hi Tala why dont you go to Cloverdale and talk to Ed, Byskal
        about all of this im sure he would be willing to talk to you about it
        i just wonder are you directly related to one of the partys involved
        I think their must be a little more to your story than just a bystander
        that went to cloverdale i think for you sake you should do that
        I think you are a nice Lady and it would be a shame if you let these
        things become an obsession for you put Christ first let God
        fight the battles besides isnt the Battle the lords anyway
        and its God thats truly in control anyway if God wanted
        Ed Byskal removed he certainly could and would do it.

        • January 21, 2011 at 3:04 pm | #52

          If he won’t even respond to my email, why would be want to talk to me.

          Email first, then we see what happens after that.

  19. rita
    January 19, 2011 at 5:09 pm | #53

    Hi…Tsanning, it is good to know your name.

  20. rita
    January 20, 2011 at 11:34 am | #54

    I guess Mr. Ken Ardiel has every right to make joyful noise to the Lord. This is Canada…freedom of movement…freedom of association. I understand from your writning you left the church…why are you so hot and bothered? I am waiting for you to personally attack more members from the church. The Prime Minister has been emailed at Harper.s@parl.gc.ca and has been asked to have this site examined for possible hate crime against a church..namely, CBW. Furthermore, If this American…Tsanning poses a real threat against the members from CBW. Maybe, you should email him…to see if you are acting within a legal framework…good day.

    • January 20, 2011 at 5:37 pm | #55

      I am not promoting hatred. I am simply asking questions that Edward Byskal needs to answer.

      This is a church that asks for money from people on its website. They do not present any audited financial statements as most reputable NPOs do.

      People can judge for themselves whether they want to give money to this church.

      IMHO it is morally bankrupt.

      • rita
        January 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm | #56

        This following information might be helpful to define some boundaries, it is as follows: “Main Article: Canadian defamation law. As is the case for most commonwealth jurisdictions, Canada follows English law on defamation issues ( “although the law in the province of Quebec has roots in both The English and The French tradition). At common law, defamation covers communication that tends to lower the esteem of the subject in the minds of ordinary members of the public. Probably true statements are not excluded, nor are political opinions. Intend is always presumed, and it is not necessary to prove that the defendant intended to defame. In Hill v. Church of Scientology of Toronto (1995), The Supreme Court of Canada rejected the actual malice test adopted in the US case New Yourk Times v. Sullivan. Once a claim has been made, the defendant may avail themselves to a defense of justification (the truth), fair comment, responsible communication, or priviledge. Publishers of damitory comments may also use the defence of innocent dissemination where they had no knowledge of the nature of the statement, it was not brought to their attention, and they were not negligent. In Canada, the so called blashemous libel is a crime punished with a maximum of two years in prison, according to Article 296 – 1 of the Canian Criminal Code, as well as the crime of dafamatory libel (Article 298), which recceives the same penality ( see Article 301). In specific case of a “libel known to be false” (Article 300), the prison term increases to a maximum of five years. According to Article 298, a defamatory libel “is a matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or is designed to insult the person or concerning whom is published. The criminal portion of the law has been rarely applied. In most recent case, in 1994 Brad Waugh and Ravin Gill were charge with criminal libel for publically accusing six prison guards of the racially murder of a black inmate. According to OSEC official report on defamation laws…, 57 persons in Canada were accused of defamation, libel, and insult, among which 23 were convicted – 9 to prison, 19 to probation and one to a fine. The average period in prison was 270 days, and the maximum sentences was 1460 days of imprisionment.”….” (wikipedia). I research this for you to make you enlighten with the laws reguarding your blog…Tsanning. Good day.

        • January 21, 2011 at 10:36 pm | #57

          From Wikipedia – Special rules apply in the case of statements made in the press concerning public figures, which can be used as a defense. A series of court rulings led by New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) established that for a public official (or other legitimate public figure) to win a libel case, the statement must have been published knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth, (also known as actual malice).

          As a pastor, Edward Byskal is a legitimate public figure. The services are broadcast from their church over the internet and they make public requests for money.

          Everything that I have made public, I believe to be the truth. I am therefore not being libelous in anything that is on this blog.

          If Edward Byskal believes that I am saying something false then he must inform me what he believes to be false. I have sent him emails BEFORE I published anything, informing him that I was going to publish information regarding his role in the sexual abuse by a minor that was perpetrated by his daughter.

          He did not respond and therefore, I am again led to believe that it was true.

          If I had been given factual evidence before I published the information that this was not true, I would have considered it. AND reported on it on a balanced basis. That’s what journalists are supposed to do.

          But we don’t sit still and say nothing. We report on what is happening that is newsworthy. And based on the large number of people reading this blog, they believe it to be newsworthy.

      • rita
        January 22, 2011 at 11:20 am | #58

        You have been inciting negative comments and possible implicating wrong doing by Mr. E. Byskal, his family, his church, his ministers/pastor associates (posted on “Hall of Shame” …to be involve in some far fetch story of sexual abuse coverup…)?

        You personally have attacked Canadian since August 2010 by your blogs. What legal base/power/autoritydo you have as a private person, an American, the right to have the pastor of Canadian church , CBW, be accountable to you; and to justify his action to you when you do not even belong to his church. What business is it of yours? What is your legal hold on Canadians who are protected by our boarder and Charter…have to be accountable…to answer…to you…are you kidding? You are trying to cyber bully Canadians…what is with that?

        You claim you have a document namely called “…unanswered questions 1,2,3 and so on. I have been asking very simple questions to you reguarding how you came to publish these documents for the whole wide world to see? Just to see what you would say or do. In my humble opinion ( massive uninform person that I am) and limited understanding). You do have documents the were “…giving to you by an individual…”; it does not matter who the original author(s) were, and it does not matter how you came to claim these document (internal church documents CBW??) came to your attention…”fallowed by a cause”.

        The fact that these were rewritten/altered postings by you as journalist? As researcher? And you stated in that you have been inserting descriptive words inside the brackets and deleting names, and the fact that you are writing editorial comments throughout the questions in itself alters the document in so much that even the orginal writer(s) would not be able to tell if they ever ever saw your own creation/rewritten version. The very fact that you altered the original version which you never had to begin with (even if this was given to you by the pope) and altered the original intend of the document…you fine yourself being the “sole” author of this new document referred to as”…Unanswered Questions 1, 2, 3…” in your blog: your rewritten document, the use of private information, unauthorized use of photos, names, and so on, leads us to question your journalistic research skills and Ethics. It would be sad to see journalist(s) resort to “attempting to contact” person(s) and receive no response. But proceed anyway to personally/professionally attack person(s) using the mass media far reaching … for example as far as Africa. Yes, you are the creator of this blog, yes, you are also the creator of the document posted on your blog.

        I wonder if you have legal jurisdiction as an American to attempt to destroy the lives of private and law abiding Canadians? Does your “freedom of speech” under the American Constitution protect you from desimenating false information about Canadian? Are you implying or saying your Constitution superceed our “Canadian Constitutional Charter” which is suppose to protect innocent Canadian citizens? …some comments to you…since you are the expert.

        • January 22, 2011 at 1:51 pm | #59

          “You personally have attacked Canadian ” : not sure how one does that.

          “desimenating false information about Canadian?” : Grab yourself a good spell checker, eh! That’s what they say in Saskatchewan, isn’t it?

          “altered the original intend of the document” : Not sure how you do that either.

          Did you even graduate from high school??????

        • January 22, 2011 at 2:00 pm | #60

          Now to the substance of your allegations.

          1. A good journalist protects their sources. I will not tell you where I got the information from sorry. But there are others that are reading this blog that live in Canada and have seen the document. They know it is real.

          2. I have not inserted any editorial comments into the letter. The comments in the letter were in the original document.

          3. Do you read a newspaper. It is very common to read “Mr. X did not return a call for comment yesterday” or things very similar. you get a chance to respond but the story goes ahead.

          4. Go ahead and contact Edward Byskal yourself. Tell me what he says. I’m all ears.

  21. rita
    January 20, 2011 at 1:15 pm | #61

    Tsanning I am going to past the information to the U.S security services. They should be able to trace your web-site, and you actual dwelling. You should not be threating law abiding Canadian citizens and get away with it. These upstanding members of a respected church community, The Cloverdale Bibleway members should not feel threaten, they should allowed to live peacefully like any American citizen this applies to us Canadains. I am also hoping the people from Ottawa will also do the same thing. Threats are taken seriously, especially when the claims you are making have no merrit. But I guess you need to learn a lessonthat there are laws to protect citizens in both countries. Good day. (p.s) the deletions you choose to erase are store with hard data by your server…at least should.

    • January 20, 2011 at 5:30 pm | #62

      There are no threats on this blog. Could you please tell me what you are referring to?

      All I am doing is reporting facts.

      You do realize that supplying false information to the authorities is, in itself, an offense.

      Hopefully, it comes back to bite you.

      I am prepared to stand behind every statement that I have made as it is all well researched.

    • Not Fred
      January 20, 2011 at 8:33 pm | #63

      Careful what you do.

      If the US border patrol were to find out that Mrs. Ardiel was a self-confessed sexual abuser of minor children, do you think that they would ever let her across the border again?

      That may be the reason they haven’t done anything about this blog.

  22. onetimewasthere
    January 20, 2011 at 3:01 pm | #64

    This blog has made me curious. I opened up a service video link on CBW’s website and watched the first and last part to scan the congregation to see if anyone was there that I remembered from years ago. I noticed Ken playing the guitar and wondered how he was handling all of this being public. I feel bad for being interested in what goes on now at CBW and I agree it really is no longer my business. However, having spent so many years there, it is hard not to be curious. What about the school? Do the kids of those who left still go to the Church school?

  23. InGodWeTrust…AllOthersPayCash
    January 21, 2011 at 11:24 pm | #65

    Rita!! Your “engrish” is getting much better! Did you take a night course at CDI? Awesome! You still have spelling mistakes but it’s much easier to read! Unless you copied and pasted and the mistakes were already there and of course you’d never catch them. Or…some of your best posts with the most ridiculous “engrish” is in the morning or early afternoon…please tell me where Happy Hour starts in the morning!? It’s 5 o’clock somewhere I guess!

    P.S. I’m not hot n bothered…just smiling and chuckling.

  24. I heart Byskal
    January 25, 2011 at 8:41 am | #66

    Oh Rita so you can copy and paste,
    but you don’t know how to spell-check.
    Here is what I don’t get, why do you so strongly support the Byskals?
    Are they paying you? I mean really, only a fool would choose their side.
    The main fact, the whole point of the blog is the Pastor knew about sexual abuse that happened in the congregation not just once, but for years, and covered it up.
    That is against the law, he had a duty to report, the abuser to the authorities, and the abuse to the parents
    And he did not, where is it not clear to you.

  25. Denver Morgan
    January 25, 2011 at 9:46 am | #67

    ” A good journalist protects their sources” Your not a Journalist you are a blogger
    and if you are a journalist who are you working for then i will believe you.
    beside i already know who your source is his name is Satan.

    • January 25, 2011 at 11:06 am | #68

      Really?

      In your mind, someone that want to expose wrongdoing is Satan?

  26. InGodWeTrust..All OthersPayCash
    January 28, 2011 at 12:22 am | #69

    I have been watching this blog… seeing the reactions… seeing the “likes” and “dislikes” and honestly…. I don’t care if it’s Ed Byskal, Tom Rae, John Andes, the Pope, your next door neighbour, the milkman….. anyone who touched or “seduced” a little boy… is sick in the head….anybody who “sticks up” for this seduction must be all the more “sicker”!!

    Think of the grace the young mans family must have… they have been through hell… this is a monumental deception… yet the “boys” family stays quiet and says not a word??!! The church splits over the deception? People leave?

    Yet the people who left are following the “spirit of Balaam?” Nevermind the money laundering… I am talking about a molestation of a young man!! The people who left… get railroaded and not one ounce of grace bestowed onto them… they are of the spirit of SATAN??

    Tell you what folks… and listen careful… use your brains!! If something like “THIS” was to happen in the “REAL” world… all the money in the world would NOT be able to “buy” this person out!! If this was known of an offender in prison… that person would be DEAD!!! If this was found out about in the every day world… that person would have their house either burnt to the ground or chased out of the neighborhood!

    This was NOT an affair… this was child molestation!! If it was an affair it’s nearly and most likely understandable… things happen…people meet… the marriage is lacking somewhere…before you know it a big “OH OH” happened! And honestly… THAT’S not even sick!! That’s human nature!!

    Didn’t Adam and Eve fall the same way? But nowhere does it say Adam and Eve fell diddling young kids, whats the word everyone is using now to make it sound more innocent? GROOMING? But this is a young man… who was molested… who’s mind was bent by a “trustworthy and reputable” person.

    This boy will be bent for the rest of his life!! He comes from a great family… who was and is solid… his mother is a TRUE believer!! His oldest brother… a solid christian…who I have always… and utmostly respected! His sister…. a real soldier who keeps on plugging along regardless!! How has THIS destroyed THAT family!!

    Yet they didn’t give up… they keep on marching… what CHRISTIANS!! I DARE ANYBODY…. and I mean it… ANYBODY… in CANADA… in the USA… in South Africa… worldwide…. to try and explain away child molestation!! Forget the money… that’s just paper… forget playing favorites… really look at it!

    If for one minute you condone or BACK it… you possibly are more sick than Ed Byskals daughter! The “world” itself… general public… business world… organized crime world… etc… etc… KNOW it’s WRONG!!!

    Don’t get OFF topic here… this blog and that other “ED BYSKAL TRIBUTE” pathetic butt kissing blog… is starting to turn into a “play of favorite” ministers!!

    Out of respect for wonderful ministers…leave “their” names out of it… this has NOTHING to do with ANYBODY but Ed Byskal and Linda Ardiel! If Ed Byskal was a run of the mill blue collar boy… Linda would be charged by now if not in jail…if this was YOUR mother, sister, daughter that MOLESTED a young boy for years in CBW… Ed Byskal himself would have had you charged by now if not incarcerated! (YOU ROB ME IN TITHES AND OFFERINGS) I ‘m not saying a word!! :) Who really… is getting robbed?

    Who paid to make Linda’s problem vanish? It should be interesting to see the responses… forget “Tsanning” people.. she is NOT your problem… she brought it to the forefront is all… quit your crying and moaning! Face the truth!! If I for ONE second… a half a second.. ever thought… I was BENT towards young kids… I’d load my own gun… put it to my head… and pull the trigger!!

    Do you think… that because a person got “caught”… that they have changed? That’s garbage!!! They got CAUGHT is all!! There is SO much disrespect with the ministry of CBW!! I really feel it needs an overhaul! (Bare in mind I run solo… I have nothing to do with CBW or LWF) I will very carefully say this…

    I posted something rather blunt a week or so ago… but asked Tsanning to remove it… but there are “people”… in CBW… who should NOT be in a “ministry” position… whether it be GUITAR… or preaching!! Don’t forget… people might be fooled but God won’t be!

    Use your brains that God gave you… and step down if there are things in your life that shouldn’t be there! My attention really goes to the musicians… DON’T be there!

    Step down before “something” is possibly said!! Have some respect!! I will also say… I know people on BOTH sides of this GREAT fence… and there are deacons that should NO LONGER be deacons!!

    These were once the men who carried out the “fuhrers” orders… who ran away from him with their tails between their legs… step down… you also… have been responsible for COMPLETE destruction and annihilation of people and families and false accusations!!

    I would think it’s much safer to step down NOW than to be righteous and arrogant… and all of the sudden have someone who had information on your “personal life”… to open their mouth… and make you look a fool… without even trying… because you did that to yourself by your own actions!

    If I had “things” in my life… I’d NEVER want to be in front of the people trying to represent… I’d be on my knees begging the good Lord to forgive me… and I would want to be a NOBODY!! I am so happy I am a NOBODY… I’ve NEVER fooled myself into thinking I was a SOMEBODY!

    It’s time to clean house… on both sides… I look forwards to the replies or responses… stop playing favorites… call an Ace an Ace and a Spade a Spade…

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